You can find endless discussions about whether one approach is "superior" to the other. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > jtinkleburt New Member. I'm probably going to swap out the Epi pickups some day; probably cost about $200 to put whatever set of pickup you want in either guitar. …It’s sorta just slapped together. I kept it on to compare directly with the new pickup I put in on the Neck side. Both guitars feature mahogany bodies with set mahogany necks. A true icon guitar, the SG was originally a successor Les Paul model from '61 to '68. The point is the SG has a long lineage behind it, and in many ways the G-400 is a continuation of the magic Gibson created when it launched the original Les Paul SG. If I told you the truth that it would only cost you about $25 extra to have real mother of pearl block or trapezoid inlays put on those guitars, would you buy it? That’s what you get with a Gibson that you don’t get with an Epiphone. Epiphone G-400 Pro SG - Cherry Reviews Reviews | Sweetwater Then as I check the neck I notice there are no dead spots, no buzzes. Get better pickups there are loads available some at reasonable prices. Later! OK, I actually own both an Epi G400 and a Gibson SG (faded brown). But here you get push/pull functionality to split the coils with your volume knobs which is pretty useful. And if you take the time to do a nice setup, you would be hard pressed to get more for your money. Pickups can be changed, and if you decided you weren’t happy with the stock Epi pickups you could swap them out for Gibsons or something else down the road. Below is a table comparing the Gibson SG Standard and Epiphone G-400 specs. While the Alnico Classics are fine, I’d really rather see Epiphone’s ProBucker pickups in this guitar, even if it meant a bump in price. Discussion in 'Epiphone SG' started by jtinkleburt, Jan 9, 2005. Maybe somebody sanded through the finish or there may be a slight crack or imperfection in the wood that was obviously patched or filled, a buzzy fret now and again, and so forth.eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'guitaraffinity_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_5',108,'0','0'])); The price point is the only thing that really justifies the lack of craftsmanship. The Epiphone G-400 is also in the Gibson SG style, and largely similar to the G-310. In my opinion, the Gibson SG Standard is a pretty affordable guitar for what it brings to the table, and kind of a bargain. Maybe not. Gibson simplified the name to SG, for “Solid Guitar”. It's sold near 800€ here, for that price you can have a studio SG ( Gibson ) or a used Gibson SG standard. From beginning to end there are quality control checks all throughout the construction process starting with the wood. The SG debuted in 1961 to replace the Les Paul which had been temporarily discontinued because of low sales. So, I'm considering the Epiphone Limited Edition 1966 G-400 and replacing the pickups with Burstbucker Pro's. Fretboard -- someone on here made a comment to the effect that they felt the Epi needed a bunch of fretwork (leveling, polishing, whatever). That’s my two cents. My budget is somewhat limited presently. Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath and Angus Young of AC/DC use this axe, showing it’s quality of design. Pickups -- different pickups yield different sounds. This edition of the prized 1962 Gibson SG boasts the power and merciless sustain you expect to shake you all night long. I love the Les Paul SG but I'm having difficulty in reaching a decision between the Epiphone and Gibson models. Let's check it out with Max Carton Guitar! The G-400 is very neck heavy I assume because the neck is thicker and it doesn't go as far into the body as the ones on the special and G-310. Did you know that there are entire manufacturing plants that deal solely in mother of pearl and abalone? I’m still not seeing a huge gain by Gibson that justifies the markup in price at this point. i only play at home for a … The thinner Gibson neck is more prone to breaking when it slides off the front of the amp where you leaned it to go take a leak. The SG is a legend, and well worth the asking price. During the machining process each fret is dressed and crowned, and finally the nut is slotted for the appropriate string gauge. I also think it’s important to avoid the notion that Epiphones are low-budget knock-offs. In the late 1950s the Fender Stratocaster was giving Gibson heavy competition in the solid-body guitar market, so they set about redesigning a Les Paul with a lighter double-cutaway design that might be a little more appealing to then-modern players. It just validated what I thought I was hearing. Nitrocellulose lacquer is chosen specifically because it allows the wood to breathe. It’s light and well balanced. Only used a handful of times, in very good condition, just been restrung with 10 gague steel strings. They are pretty much in line with the differences I've typically seen between Epiphone and Gibson guitars. The machine actually applies tension to the neck as if it had 9s, 10s, or whatever gauge strings on it. The Epiphone G-400 isn’t a copy, and it isn’t a new idea. It's constructed of a Mahogany neck glued into a Mahogany body, and comes upgraded with Alnico Classic Pro humbucking pickups. They have a push-pull coil tap feature, which adds a little versatility. Epiphone is owned by Gibson, and makes some of the best budget alternatives to Gibson guitars. But I've read reviews that warn of disappointment with the Asian-made Epiphones. Joined: Jan 9, 2005 Messages: 15 Likes Received: 0 Location: merritt island,fl. The menacing horned double-cutaway of the SG body is famous around the world. The cheap one is amazing, but can you justify the price of the expensive Gibson? The Epiphone G-400 is equipped with Alnico Classic PRO humbuckers. Sg is my favorite Gibson. Are you one of those players? EPIPHONE SG: A TIMELESS GUITAR. This Epi, however, is notable for more than a simple cosmetic consideration. There are tons of guitars that can satisfy your needs, whether you want something more professional, geared towards metal, or whatever else you may need. But this is why they play so great right out of the box. However, Epiphone has made many improvements in recent years, and the gap isn’t as wide as it once was. The Epiphone SG is a perfect option for beginner guitarists. I have a Epiphone G400 1966 edition and its awesome has a great sound and feel the pickups have a good clean tone and have nice crunch/muddy tone when you put a amp in overdrive all and all its a great guitar for $400. But honestly, these pickups are fine. If you’re already sold on the price to performance ratio of the Epiphone, or not really interested in why Gibson plays so nicely, please skip ahead to the conclusion. The Limited Edition 1966 SG G-400 Pro is Epiphone’s updated reissue of Gibson’s venerable ’66 SG – the first model-year to carry the distinctive “batwing” pickguard. Cost is a variable question, as the current most affordable Gibson, the M2, goes for $ All in all they sound cheap and lack definition and sustain and if you played the Epi without these mods with the strings catching the frets you will soon realise that your guitar has no sustain at all because of these factors. These are good pickups, especially in this price range. *Check out the full specs of the Gibson SG here. Unfortunately, while it is worth every dime, the SG comes with a price tag that’s a little too steep for some players. You will have to wire up your next set of pickups to Gibson 50's humbucker wiring specifications to max the output. Though, I think some things such as neck profile will vary depending on year and exact model. If you aren’t that into either of these guitars, you’ll need to shop around a bit more. Gibson is hands down better than Epiphone. If an Epiphone SG has really good pickup's then it will sound great. Gibson is one of the finest guitar companies in the world, and Epiphone specializes in affordable guitars for beginners and intermediate players. Do you want a great guitar for a great price, or do you shell out 4 times as much for one of the greatest guitars you’ve ever laid your hands on? which he has always wanted. Any player who picks up a Gibson SG will be satisfied with their choice. Hello, I discovered something strange: According to the photos on Epiphone's own site and also on various retailer's sites, the Epiphone SG Vintage G-400 worn cherry seems to have neck binding, unlike all other (non-Ltd. or signature) Epi SG models, including the more expensive G-400 Pro, and even the same model (Epiphone SG Vintage G-400) in worn brown. The Les Paul SG was born in 1961, but Les Paul himself was none too happy with this decision, and asked to have his name removed from the redesigned instrument. But here you get push/pull functionality to split the coils with your volume knobs which is pretty useful. That might be another factor to consider. At least not to the degree you come to expect from Gibson. The SG model was originally intended to replace the Les Paul, which temporarily went out of production from 1961-1968. Friend has one that feels like a Louisville slugger. This whole process used to take all day by hand. My opinion don't mean nothing but we all know its true Lol. My choice is the Alnico II magnets. The SG Story: When the SG, or "Solid Guitar," was introduced in 1961 as a replacement for the Les Paul Standard, it was called the "fretless wonder" for its low frets and fast action. This guitar is shaped similarly to the classic Les Paul, but has a tone that’s perfect for heavy metal. All-mahogany guitars can get a little muddy and boomy with the wrong pickups, but I think these are a really good fit. Anyway, my favorite is the Gibson SG Les Paul Custom made in the early 1960s, about 6,000 of which were produced. comfort and playability when buying an electric guitar, full specs of the Epiphone G-400 Pro here. I’m gonna get technical shortly so just bear with me! First, the guitar has a jig put on the headstock and bridge area, and is then inserted into the machine. It's a no-brainer, right? Home Forums > The Solid Guitar > Epiphone SG > g-400 vs gibson sg? For instance, a stainless steel bridge is much more costly to manufacture than a brass one.eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'guitaraffinity_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])); Which one sounds better, however, is entirely a matter of opinion. At first look these two instruments appear nearly identical. Try out some of these guitars that are similar to the G400 and the SG. In fact, manufacturers often even refer to it as rosewood, but it’s not. I have more than a few friends with Epiphone’s that play really nice and, believe me, they do not come out of the box that way. Aside from the SG Standard, Gibson has a few comparable versions in their lineup: Epiphone offers fewer versions of their SG, but there are a couple of other options besides the G-400 PRO, most notably: As I’ve said throughout this article, in my opinion the decision comes down to how much you are willing to spend for an increase in quality. So what’s different aside from a 4X mark up in price for the Gibson? The new G-400 PRO adds more value with coil-tap switching, alnico 5 magnet-powered humbuckers, and improved hardware. It’s not the hardest finish however. And has a unique town that resonates like no other on full bends I’m not that proud of Gibson Qc though. You see, every component on a guitar contributes to the tone to some degree. Comes with original box it was shipped with and tuners have been upgraded to GOTOH locking tuners.
As stated the price differences are unreal and the quality is not worthy of that price gap.also the playing and materials (i.e..woods.) Is the Gibson worth the extra $400? If the Gibson really is better quality then demonstrate that. Then I start looking at it a little more closely and begin seeing all these little flaws here and there. I pick up a Gibson SG on the other hand, and immediately I’m like, “yeah” just by the general heft and solid feel as I take note of the impeccably manicured and bound fretboard. If you can only afford $359 for an Epiphone G-400 PRO, go for it. Needless to say, the Les Paul and SG both hung in the there and went on become two of the most beloved guitars in the world. Score one for Gibson (by a very slight margin) Gibson – Burstbuckers, 2 volume, 2 tone. You can just hop on Amazon or whatever, slap down your credit card and still get a good night’s sleep without worrying about how the thing is going to play. The Strat's been too overrated I guess. If you’re a metalhead, you definitely won’t want to use these guitars. hey there everyone... i now own a Faded Epi G400 and love it. Loosely based on the 1962 Gibson SG Standard, the G-400 has been a point of entry for guitarists that can’t manage the cost of a Gibson. I have played and owned many Gibson SG's. Next you will have to rip out the poor quality pickups and sort out the wiring. I should say that I have played some Epi SG's that were pretty crappy, and some that were really nice. No runs, no drips, no errors, perfect intonation, and there’s a reason for that. Firstly with the Epi,unless you are really lucky, you will have to level the majority of the frets to stop it buzzing all over when you attempt to lower it's action to something more useful than the one they gave you in the factory:set high to disguise the un-levelled frets. It seems even more overpriced that the Slash LPs, and that tells a lot the G400 pro were sold less than 300€ a few months ago and that was a great deal. It’s tough to compare the G-400 to a guitar three times its price, and made by one of the finest guitar companies in the world. This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. Not much different in the design or construction wise.eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'guitaraffinity_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_2',105,'0','0'])); OK, now let’s talk about craftsmanship because the clear winner in this department is always going to be Gibson. Both styles are perfectly adequate although the Epi's Grovers are smoother and more precise. As always, I invite you to do your own research and draw your own conclusions. Well the good news is that it will not cost you a packet to fix but will need some time and know how investing in it if you don't want to take it to a guitar tech. So because you are not paying top whack Gibson prices don't be too precious about it and be prepared to rip out the guts of your new Epiphone G400 Pro to get a better guitar. It’s a hard-rock tone machine, but easily at home in blues, jazz or country as well. The Epi's wiring cavity is fully shielded but the wires from the pickups are not. Or if you still can’t decide, take a sidebar and check out the double neck SGs from Epiphone and Gibson. 4. Being into CNC myself, I’m fascinated by the whole plek process. The Epiphone Prophecy Collection features iconic "Inspired by Gibson™" body shapes with a modern twist for players seeking to break tradition and set new standards. When you’re dealing with this level of craftsmanship, details like the type of wood and pickups used are almost an afterthought. No way around that I guess. Even if you were dissatisfied with the Epiphone pickups and felt the need to spend additional money on aftermarket pickups, you’d still come out way on top financially. Electronics -- the internal components of the guitar (which let's face it are just 4 pots, 2 capacitors, a switch, and a jack) are of higher "quality" on the Gibson, although there's nothing wrong with the Epi's components. 6. On eBay they go for around 25K or more. The Best thing about the Epiphone G400 Pro is the price. It’s really quite amazing! If you want to get that crunchy sound and are willing to pay a little extra for it, check out some of the instruments from Reverend. I sold my Gibson SG because of it's fat neck, they did that with the early 'faded' models. The choice is yours, and either will get you a phenomenal guitar. Now, the G-400 PRO gives you the sound and look of a real SG without the vintage price tag and with the added tonal variety that you've come to expect from Epiphone. Hi guys, Ive been playing guitar for quite a while. Both guitars come with wax potted pickups and I wouldn’t expect any issues with either. OK another couple of differences I have noticed: 1. After, that a worker can simply give the fretboard a final polish, and it’s done! Since 2006, all USA Gibson guitars also come with a “plek” treatment, which essentially is a Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) machine that does great fretwork very consistently. Guitar Gopher is a guitarist and bassist with over 35 years of experience as a musician. JMon, May 26, 2017 #1. dub-setter, Biddlin, Bettyboo and 5 … I can sit down and play it. All of that information can bail you out if you find yourself on Jeopardy! Bottom line: play both and pick the one you like. The classic pro is alnico v while the probucker is alnico ii, A noticeable difference in quality from the regular alnico classics. While a grand cheaper than the Gibsons, the … The mastery of craftsmanship, the feel, the high-end technology, everything about this guitar screams quality. Roughly 5-6 years now. I still need to replace and rewire my Bridge humbucker. The reason I find this so exciting is not just because I have as deep a passion for CNC technology as I do guitars, but because this is a totally revolutionary approach to doing accurate fretwork and it’s accurate to the micrometer. No idea what the "resale value" of my Epi will be in 25 yrs. Some say this makes a difference in the "resonance" of the wood. I imagine the Gibson's selector switch is more robust and will last longer (although I have no evidence to support this since both switches work fine so far). They’re made in the USA to very high standards, and their guitars show it. Otherwise, unless somebody understands what to look for they probably won’t know or care if you are playing an Epiphone or a Gibson. The G-400 Deluxe PRO is inspired by the first generation of SGs made in the 1960s at the legendary Gibson and Epiphone factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan that produced the Les Paul and the Casino. It’s pretty rough. 2 Volume, 2 Tone, 3-way, push-pull coil tap. After all these mods I love my Epi G400 Pro and it is now simply the best guitar I own. Once again, of course Gibson has the advantage here. Been playing Epi SG's for 25 plus years and it's still my favorite guitar. I bought in the '80s for $200, played if for 25 yrs, and sold it for $1,200. Same for the Gibson. Having played dozens of Epiphones and dozens of Gibsons over the past 30+ years, including both of these guitars on many occasions, I'm pretty darned certain that Gibson quality and construction is (typically) better. Which one would you recommend? Gibson is made in the USA and Epiphone is made in Asia.eval(ez_write_tag([[468,60],'guitaraffinity_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_8',104,'0','0'])); But when it comes to being made in USA compared Asia, there really is no contest. Not much different in the design or construction wise. Channeling the same legendary instruments used by the likes of Jimmy Page and Angus Young, the Epiphone G-400 Pro SG gets you a solid mahogany body and pair of The Epiphone G-400 Pro SG Electric Guitar gets you legendary sound in an affordable package. Today we’ll take a look at two SGs built in different places in the world but harkening back to the same early 60’s design. There are two vital places where string energy is transferred to the guitar, one at the bridge and the other at the nut, and bone is an excellent material for nuts. Get the best price on Epiphone SG at Guitar Center. I think that’s an important point, because it’s all too easy to get hung up on the name on the headstock and not truly consider your needs and budget. Dagan shows us just how awesome the Epiphone SG G-400 Pro really sounds, and also pays tribute to Malcolm Young of AC/DC. The Epiphone G400 is supposed to be a ’62 design, while the 2019 SG Standard ’61 Gibson is a reissued ’61 design. Musicians such as Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath and Angus Young of AC/DC put this guitar on the map, and for decades guitarists have flocked to the SG for its sound, looks and of course that awesome Gibson vibe. Epiphone is owned by Gibson, and makes some of the best budget alternatives to Gibson guitars. Gibson uses rosewood for the fingerboard, while Epiphone has switched to pau ferro. Cachet -- Isn't this the real difference? Both guitars have the basic controls you’d expect in an SG: Three-way pickup selector switch, and a volume and tone control for each pickup. Yeah, it’s the best kept secret in the guitar building industry and I’m blowing the lid right off. But it’s worth noting these subtle design differences. Both Gibson and Epiphone have a plastic nut. But you have to ask yourself if the difference in price is worth it. It is not yet totally finished. hi everyone, Both of these types of guitars have the same mahogany body and set neck, though generally Gibson uses better grades of wood. This is not necessarily good or bad, just different. After the scan of the fretboard is completed, the machining process begins, all while still under the simulated string tension. In fact you could not even classify it as an instrument.